>> Cathy: BY THIS TIME NEXT FRIDAY, WE COULD BE LOOKING AT ANOTHER PARTIAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.

DEMOCRATS HAVE PROPOSED RESTRICTIONS ON I.C.E., REPUBLICANS HAVE CALLED THAT EXCESSIVE.

WE'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO MEMBERS OF OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION.

JOINING US AGAIN IS MINNESOTA'S FORMER U.S.

-- -- >> I'VE BEEN THERE THREE TIMES, BUT I WAS DENIED MY FIRST ATTEMPT.

>> Cathy: WHAT DID YOU SEE?

>> WELL, WHAT I SAW AT WHIPPLE WAS REALLY UPSETTING.

HONESTLY.

I MEAN, THAT HAS TO BE THE OVERWHELMING REACTION THAT I HAVE TO DESCRIBE.

IT'S A PLACE FULL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SHACKLED IN THEIR LEGS, THERE ARE NO MEDICAL PROTOCOLS TO SPEAK OF, IT'S CONSIDERED A HOLDING FACILITY, AND THAT IS USED AS AN EXCUSE TO NOT HAVE THE SERVICES THAT TYPICALLY ARE GIVEN -- ARE PROVIDED AT A DETENTION FACILITY.

SO IT'S A VERY DEHUMANIZING PLACE THAT DOESN'T ADHERE TO THE RULES THAT I THINK MOST OF US WOULD EXPECT IN THE UNITED STATES.

>> Eric: IS IT ERVING THE PURPOSE THAT HOMELAND SECURITY WANTS IT TO SERVE?

>> THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

ONE OF THE AGENTS THAT I SPOKE TO DURING ONE OF MY VISITS SAID THAT THEY ARE EMBARKING ON A MASS DEPORTATION CAMPAIGN AND THEY SEE THIS AS A PLACE TO RAPIDLY MOVE PEOPLE ON THEIR WAY OUT OF OUR COUNTRY.

IT'S PRETTY SHOCKING TO SEE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, THE DESPERATION AND THEN THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY, REALLY.

THE LACK OF INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE ABLE O PROVIDE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS THERE, WHO THE PEOPLE ARE, WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ARRESTED FOR, WHAT THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS IS.

THEY SAY THAT THEY HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

BUT THEY DON'T SHARE IT WITH ME WHEN I'M THERE.

>> Cathy: YOU MENTIONED THE LACK OF MEDICAL PROTOCOLS.

THERE ARE MEASLES CASES AT THE DETENTION FACILITY IN TEXAS.

AND THERE ARE PEOPLE GOING BACK AND FORTH.

>> EXACTLY.

>> Cathy: DO YOU WORRY ABOUT THAT?

>> VERY MUCH SO.

I BROUGHT THAT UP ODAY.

I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT.

AS YOU KNOW, MEASLES IS ONE OF THE MOST CONTAGIOUS INFECTIOUS DISEASES AROUND, IT STAYS IN THE AIR FOR TWO HOURS AFTER AN INFECTED PERSON LEAVES A ROOM.

SO I ASKED.

WE DO HAVE EOPLE -- WE KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE BOTH BEING TAKEN TO TEXAS AND IN SOME CASES BEING BROUGHT BACK BECAUSE THEY WERE SENT TOO SOON, GOOD QUESTION, WHY THEY WERE SENT BACK, WHY THEY WERE SENT TO TEXAS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THEY HAVE NO -- THERE ARE NO MEDICAL PROTOCOLS, THERE'S NO -- >> Cathy: WE SHOULD SAY, THIS IS A CONCERN, ESPECIALLY FOR YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE A PHYSICIAN.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, OF COURSE.

AND I HAVE THAT KIND OF IN MY DNA TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TREATMENT THAT ARE PEOPLE ARE GETTING AND ACCESS TO MEDICAL CARE.

>> Eric: IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT THE REPUBLICANS KIND OF REELING ON THIS ISSUE POLITICALLY, IS THERE ANY CHANCE THIS COULD BE TURNED INTO A BROADER DEBATE AND PASSING SOME BILLS ON COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION POLICY?

>> I CERTAINLY HOPE SO.

WE'RE DECADES IN THE MAKING F BEING AT A STANDSTILL.

I MEAN, AS YOU BOTH KNOW, THERE WAS A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE BILL THAT HAD BEEN NEGOTIATED, LED BY A VERY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN SENATOR FROM OKLAHOMA, JAMES LANGFORD, AND PRESIDENT TRUMP, THEN CANDIDATE TRUMP, MADE THEM SQUASH IT BECAUSE HE WANTED TO USE IMMIGRATION AS A CAMPAIGN ISSUE.

WE'RE LONG OVERDUE FOR COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM.

AND I THINK FOR MOST PEOPLE, THAT MEANS HAVING A SECURE BORDER.

IT MEANS REMOVING PEOPLE WHO COMMIT VIOLENT ANDRIEMS IT MEANS A MUCH SMOOTHER, MORE OBVIOUS PATH TOWARD LEGAL RESIDENCE FOR CITIZENSHIP IN THE UNITED STATES.

>> Cathy: ARE YOU IN THE CAMP OF ABOLISH I.C.E.

OR REFORM THE SYSTEM IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT COG IN THE WHEEL?

I >> I THINK IT'S A SEMANTIC QUESTION.

IT IS CLEAR THAT IT NEEDS COMPREHENSIVE REFORM.

WHILE WE ARE SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE STREETS OF MINNEAPOLIS AND IN THE METRO AREA, WE'VE LOST TWO AMERICAN CITIZENS TO VIOLENCE.

I THINK MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEEN THOSE VIDEOS WOULD CONSIDER THOSE MURDERS.

WE ARE BEING ASKED TO NOT BELIEVE WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH OUR OWN EYES.

AS LONG AS THERE IS OBVIOUS RACIAL PROFILING GOING ON, SWEEPS OF PEOPLE JUST GOING ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF THEIR DAY, BY MASKED, WITHOUT NAMETAGS, IDENTIFICATION, FEDERAL AGENTS HEAVILY ARMED, THAT'S NOT HOW A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY SHOULD CONDUCT ITSELF IN THE UNITED STATES.

>> Eric: WHAT'S THE STATUS OF FEDERAL FUNDING TO MINNESOTA?

ARE WE GETTING WHAT WE -- WHAT'S BEEN AUTHORIZED OR IS IT BEING HELD UP OR WHAT'S THE GENERAL -- >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

MINNESOTA SEEMS TO BE IN THE PRESIDENT'S SIGHTS.

I HAVE ASKED SEVERAL OF THE AGENTS AT WHIPPLE, MINNESOTA HAS ABOUT 1% OF THE UNDOCUMENTED POPULATION IN THE UNITED STATES, SO WHY ARE YOU SPENDING SO MUCH TIME IN MINNESOTA?

AND THEY DON'T HAVE REALLY AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

THE FACT THAT HE'S THEN GOING AFTER FEDERAL FUNDING FOR MINNESOTA WOULD SUGGEST TO ME THAT HE IS TARGETING A STATE THAT HE EITHER DOESN'T CARE FOR THE WAY WE ARE VALUED -- OUR VALUES OF CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND COMMUNITY AND CARING FOR EACH OTHER, OR HE HAS BEEF WITH OUR GOVERNOR.

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IT'S CLEARLY UNFAIR.

AND THE WEAPONIZATION OF THAT OFFICE HAS TO STOP.

>> Cathy: YOU MENTIONED THAT MINNESOTA SEEMS TO BE IN THE PRESIDENT'S SIGHTS.

I'M WONDERING HERE, LITTLE LIAM RAMOS AND HIS FAMILY, EVIDENTLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS EXPEDITING DEPORTATION PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THAT FAMILY.

AND I'M WONDERING, WHY DO YOU THINK THE ADMINISTRATION'S TAKING SUCH AN AGGRESSIVE STANCE AGAINST THIS FAMILY?

>> I HAVE NO IDEA, CATHY, BUT IT'S TRAGIC.

THAT LITTLE BOY IN HIS LITTLE RABBIT HAT CAPTURED THE IMAGINATION OF THE NTIRE COUNTRY.

I THINK MOST AMERICANS, REGARDLESS OF THEIR POLITICAL STRIPES, DON'T THINK A CHILD SHOULD BE USED AS BAIT IN ALREADY UNCLEAR IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT CLAIM.

THE FACT THAT HE CONTINUES TO GO AFTER THIS FAMILY IS SHAMEFUL.

>> Eric: I KNOW YOU'RE BUSY, APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER AND TALK TO US, AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME