>> ERIC: WELCOME BACK.

TONIGHT, WE'LL TALK WITH A FORMER U.S.

ATTORNEY FOR THE DISTRICT OF MINNESOTA ABOUT THIS WEEK'S ROUND OF RESIGNATIONS.

AND OUR PANEL OF ANALYSTS IS STANDING BY TO BREAK DOWN ANOTHER WEEK OF STATEWIDE POLITICS.

>> CATHY: BUT WE START THE HOUR WITH WORD THAT THE FBI AND MINNESOTA BUREAU OF CRIMINAL APPREHENSION, OR BCA, WILL REPORTEDLY JOINTLY INVESTIGATE THE SHOOTING DEATH OF ALEX PRETTI.

THE NEWS COMES THE SAME WEEK BORDER CZAR TOM HOMAN SAYS HE'LL MOVE 700 FEDERAL AGENTS OUT OF MINNESOTA, LEAVING MORE THAN 2,000 FEDERAL AGENTS ON THE GROUND.

MINNESOTA'S COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH OVERSEES THE BCA, IS HERE.

WELCOME, COMMISSIONER BOB JACOBSON.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU, TOO, CATHY AND ERIC.

>> Cathy: I SAY "REPORTEDLY," BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED THAT THE BCA IS WORKING WITH THE FBI OR DID I MISS SOMETHING?

>> YOU HAVEN'T MISSED ANYTHING.

WE HAVE, SINCE, AND ALL OF THE THREE HOOTINGS THAT WE HAD IN A PERIOD OF LESS THAN THREE WEEKS, AS EVERYONE CAN RECALL IN JANUARY, WE'VE BEEN ASKING, PUSHING, PRODDING, THE FBI ND FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE, JOINTLY, OR TO GIVE US EVIDENCE IN ALL OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS IS THAT WE COULD MAKE SURE WE COULD EITHER PARTNER OR DO THOSE ON OUR OWN.

REFERENCE THE PRETTI ASE, WE ARE CERTAINLY HAVING CONTINUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH Mr.

HOMAN AND HIS TEAM AND OTHERS, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

I THINK WE'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS, PERHAPS, ON THE PRETTI INVESTIGATION, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE AN AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW TO DO THAT.

BUT I'M VERY HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN GET THERE, BECAUSE, AGAIN, MINNESOTANS, I THINK, HAVE COME TO EXPECT THAT IF THERE IS AN OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING, WHETHER IT'S A FEDERAL AGENT, WHETHER IT'S A LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, THAT THE BUREAU OF CRIMINAL APPREHENSION WILL BE INVOLVED IN THAT, JUST TO ENSURE THAT IT'S AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION AND A FAIR INVESTIGATION.

>> Cathy: CAN YOU GIVE US A SENSE, AND MAYBE YOU CAN'T, BUT ARE YOU ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE FBI?

SINCE YOU ARE THE HEAD OF THE BCA.

AND HOW DICEY ARE THEY?

>> THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNICATION GOING BACK AND FORTH, AND NOT TO GET INTO THOSE DISCUSSIONS, AND I WOULDN'T CALL IT A NEGOTIATION, BUT I THINK WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE EACH UNDERSTAND HE PROCESS AND WHERE WE COULD BE HELPFUL TO EACH OTHER.

AND, AGAIN, I THINK THE CONTINUED PLEA FROM US ALSO IS THAT MINNESOTANS REALLY DEMAND THAT INVESTIGATIONS LIKE THIS ARE HANDLED IN A WAY THAT APPEARS TO BE AND IS IMPARTIAL.

THE BUREAU OF CRIMINAL APPREHENSION AND THE FBI HAVE DONE JOINT INVESTIGATIONS BEFORE LIKE THIS.

WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET BACK TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE DOING BUSINESS THE WAY WE HAVE DONE BEFORE.

WE LIKE WORKING WITH THE FBI.

THEY DO QUALITY INVESTIGATIONS, BUT WE THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN THIS ONE MOVING FORWARD.

>> Eric: HAVE YOU SEEN EVIDENCE OF THE WITHDRAWAL OF I.C.E.

AGENTS?

>> WHAT I THINK WE'VE SEEN, PROBABLY EVERYBODY IN MINNESOTA HAS PROBABLY SEEN LESS OF SOME OF THE WHAT WE CALL SWEEPS.

YOU KNOW, WHERE FEDERAL AGENTS ARE MOVING INTO NEIGHBORHOODS IN LARGE NUMBERS.

SO I DO THINK THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES.

BUT IT'S REALLY HARD FOR US TO TELL.

WE REALLY DON'T, YOU KNOW, HAVE ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION, THE DATA FROM HOMELAND SECURITY AND I.C.E.

ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THEY HAVE TOLD US THAT THEY'RE MOVING TO MORE TARGETED INVESTIGATIONS.

AGAIN, WE ARE IN ALMOST CONTINUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT HOW THEY MOVE FORWARD AND HOW WE DO OUR WORK.

AND THEY HAVE TOLD US, AND Mr.

HOMAN HAS SAID QUITE PUBLICLY, TOO, THAT THEY REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON MORE TARGETED INVESTIGATIONS AND MOVE AWAY FROM THE SWEEPS WHERE PEOPLE ARE RANDOMLY IDENTIFIED OR ASKED FOR IMMIGRATION OR PROOF OF IMMIGRATION.

>> Cathy: IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH THESE AGENTS WILL HAVE BODY CAMERAS SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE.

DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, ARE HAVE THEY TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THIS?

THEY MAY HAVE THEM, BUT WILL THEY USE THEM?

>> I THINK IT'S GREAT NEWS.

MINNESOTANS EXPECT THAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS UTILIZE THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY, BODY CAMERAS ARE AMONG THOSE THADGES WE THINK IS VALUE IMPORTANT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO USE.

WE HAVE HEARD THAT FEDERAL AGENTS ARE NOW GOING TO BE USING BODY CAMERAS.

I HOPE THAT'S TRUE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT WILL BE TRUE.

THE KEY ITH THOSE BODY CAMERAS ALSO IS TO REMEMBER, THERE'S A LOT OF ACCOUNTABILITY AROUND BODY CAMERAS, AND I KNOW Mr.

HOMAN HAS TALKED ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.

SO THE PIECE WITH TRANSPARENCY IN THOSE INVESTIGATIONS, WITH BODY CAMERAS, ESPECIALLY THROUGH THE INVESTIGATIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN, IS TO BE ABLE TO, IF THERE IS BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE, TO LED US ALSO VIEW THAT AS PART OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS.

>> Cathy: SAME WITH THE PRETTI CASE?

>> YES.

>> Eric: WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF THE CONDUCT OF THE PROTESTERS?

>> THE PROTESTERS, PROBABLY LIKE ALL MINNESOTANS, THEY WANT TO SEE A SAFE MINNESOTA.

THEY WANT TO SEE A PLACE WHERE THEY FEEL AS THOUGH WE CAN GET BACK TO SOMETHING, OU KNOW, CALLED NORMAL.

AND, SO, THE PROTESTERS ARE SEEING THINGS HAPPENING IN THEIR COMMUNITIES THAT I THINK DON'T MAKE THEM FEEL SAFE, THAT THEY, IN SOME CASES, FEEL THREATENED AND I THINK ALL OF US, AS WE'RE WATCHING NEWS MEDIA DISPEEDZ SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDS, WE'RE SEEING ALL KINDS OF THINGS SURROUNDING I.C.E.

AGENTS AND FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE YOU A REALLY -- CANNOT GIVE YOU A SAFE FEELING.

WHAT I TELL PEOPLE, OFTENTIMES, AN INDICATION OF A SAFE COMMUNITY ISN'T HAVING A NUMEROUS NUMBER OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN A COMMUNITY TO MAKE YOU FEEL SAFE.

THE BEST INDICATION OF A SAFE COMMUNITY IS THE ABSENCE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND YOU STILL HAVE THAT SAFE COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IF WE HAVE TOO MANY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS INVOLVED IN AREAS, THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS NECESSARILY MAKE COMMUNITIES FEEL SAFE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY HOPING THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND THERE'S A REDUCTION, I HOPE THERE'S A REDUCTION COMING, THAT THE TARGETED ENFORCEMENT FOLLOWS.

THAT WE FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, THE WORST OF THE WORST, AS HAS BEEN DESCRIBED.

AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD MOVE FORWARD RATHER THAN THE SWEEPS OR THE ENFORCEMENT THAT MAKES NEIGHBORHOODS AND PROTESTERS, YOU NEGOTIATION WANT TO COME OUT AND PROTEST WHAT'S GOIN' ON.

>> Cathy: I KNOW THAT YOU -- THIS IS NOT YOUR DEPARTMENT, NECESSARILY, WITH THE 700 AGENTS, EVIDENTLY, WHO WILL BE LEAVING OR HAVE LEFT, DO YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THE NATIONAL GUARD IN ALL THIS?

REMEMBER, THEY WERE ON STANDBY, THEY WERE DOING SOME WORK OVER AT WHIPPLE.

I HAVEN'T SEEN MUCH OR HEARD MUCH FROM HEM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THE NATIONAL GUARD?

>> SO THE NATIONAL GUARD IS STILL AVAILABLE TO US.

THE NATIONAL GUARD OPERATE UNDER THE GOVERNOR, IN THIS INSTANCE.

SO I WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE NATIONAL GUARD AND THEIR LEADERSHIP TEAM THAT AS WE SEE, OR WE THINK THAT THERE MAY BE AN ISSUE WHERE WE NEED MORE PERSONNEL, MORE STAFFING, THEY'RE READY TO GO.

AND THE GREAT THING IS, THEY'RE MINNESOTANS, WANT TO SERVE OTHER MINNESOTANS.

>> Eric: WE KNOW YOU'RE BUSY.

REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER.

THANKS, COMMISSIONER.

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